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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:46 am 
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Well he's right. The interests of the European Union have always been above the interests of EU citizens. Just look at the sad tale of the Euro. Or for that matter EU expansion.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:05 am 
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Hory crap! That was a FANTASTIC speech!

He KNEW somebody was going to interrupt him about the "mafia" reference and used the poor compliant clueless bastard as a foil to change it to "gangsters" :lol: It was all stagecraft.

He is also right about the demand that the UK not negotiate with other countries outside the EU until actual exit. Of course they need to in order to have some kind of predictable soft landing. Funny bit about the bill as well.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:18 pm 
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Hory crap! That was a FANTASTIC speech!

He KNEW somebody was going to interrupt him about the "mafia" reference and used the poor compliant clueless bastard as a foil to change it to "gangsters" :lol: It was all stagecraft.

He is also right about the demand that the UK not negotiate with other countries outside the EU until actual exit. Of course they need to in order to have some kind of predictable soft landing. Funny bit about the bill as well.


Quite possibly the best speech delivered by any politician in the past 10 years :P

Power to the peopul ya'll! :mrgreen:

The parts I find particularly striking/peculiar:

* the German dudes expression behind Farage's left shoulder, I forget his name now but I made a parody photo of him smoking wall-to-wall carpet recently.

* the look on the redheaded guys face when he made the "I'll change it to gangsters" comment in response to the chairman's protest of his use of the word "mafia"

* one of the translator ladies sitting right in front of Farage's spot seems to be appreciating the entertainment value as she translates into sign language, she just seemed to be smirking

* the periodic applause and cheering, who are these people!? There was about equal applause when Farage made some zings and when the chairman protested his use of the word "mafia" weird . . .

I always thought that unification of Europe was a natural trajectory and one which was long overdue, but it just doesn't seem to have worked out as it should have. Had the "parliament" of the EU been a truly elected body and the weight of public opinion in their constituencies really properly calibrated maybe it could've worked out better, but as it has evolved it seems to have become little more than a cultural Marxist experiment in social engineering and bureacratic overreach.

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07 ... to-change/

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OECD Forced to U-Turn on Dire ‘Quality of Life’ Brexit Predictions

By JACK MONTGOMERY
1 Jul 2017

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has u-turned on its dire Brexit predictions, admitting that “quality of life” in Britain will, in fact, “probably remain to a very great extent as it is today”.

Prior to Britain’s referendum on membership of the bloc, the OECD was one of several prestigious institutions, global bodies, and think tanks to warn that a Leave vote would have a severe impact on the British economy during the referendum campaign.

“A decision to exit would result in … substantial negative consequences for the UK, the EU and the rest of the world,” it asserted in June 2016.

OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria even warned of an effective “Brexit tax” on people’s living standards. But the Mexican politician now confesses: “The quality of life [in Britain after Brexit], you know, will probably remain to a very great extent as it is today, because the values will remain the same,” according to a report in The Sun newspaper.

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The OECD is not the first institution of its kind to be forced into a climbdown after its Brexit predictions proved faulty.

Treasury reports produced at the behest of George Osborne, the former chancellor of the exchequer branded Project Fear’s “Scaremonger-General” by Brexit campaigners, were exposed as “very flawed and very partisan” after the job losses and recession they promised in the event of a Leave vote failed to materialise.

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Bank of England chief economist Andrew Haldane has also conceded the various anti-Brexit prophecies offered up by his profession proved to be a “Michael Fish moment“.

The International Monetary Fund, too, has had to revise its “doom-laden predictions” repeatedly.

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In fact, all of the forecasters followed by the Treasury had torn up their “gloomy” Brexit predictions by September 2016.

Whilst the pound has fallen and inflation has increased slightly, economic heavyweights such as former Bank of England governor Mervyn King and IMF director Ashoka Mody believe these are actually positive signs.

Mody described the cheaper pound as “desirable from every point of view”, in October 2016. He added that, in his view, “The UK economy is rebalancing amazingly well [and] it is a stunning achievement that a once-in-fifty-year event should have gone so smoothly.”

“During the referendum campaign, someone said the real danger of Brexit is you’ll end up with higher interest rates, lower house prices and a lower exchange rate, and I thought: dream on,” added King.

“[T]hat’s what we’ve been trying to achieve for the past three years and now we have a chance of getting it.”





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UK manufacturers report strongest order books for 30 years,


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UK retains title as Europe’s most attractive location for FDI with highest number of projects on record


The important question now is:
"Can the UK survive such a failed economy?" ;)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:48 pm 
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"Michael Fish moment"
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I had to look it up


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:12 am 
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Why won't Tony Blair just fuck off?

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Some EU leaders may be prepared to compromise on the free movement of people to help Britain stay in the single market, Tony Blair has said.

He told the Today programme one option was for Britain "staying within a reformed EU".

The ex-PM said he would not disclose conversations he had had in Europe - but insisted he was not speaking "on a whim".

The government insists Brexit will give the UK greater control of its borders.

And Labour's shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, said Mr Blair "hadn't really listened to the nature of the debate going on".

Mr Blair spoke to the BBC after he argued in an article for his own institute that there was room for compromise on free movement of people.

He told Today the situation in Europe was different to when Britain voted to leave the EU - a move Mr Blair described as "the most serious it's taken since the Second World War".

He said France's new president, Emmanuel Macron - whose political party was formed last year - was proposing "far-reaching reforms" for the EU.

"Europe itself is now looking at its own reform programme," Mr Blair said.

"They will have an inner circle in the EU that will be part of the eurozone and an outer circle."

When pressed by Today presenter Nick Robinson on what evidence there was to suggest European nations would compromise on such issues as freedom of movement, Mr Blair said: "I'm not going to disclose conversations I've had within Europe, but I'm not saying this literally on the basis of a whim.

"They will make reforms that I think will make it much more comfortable for Britain to fit itself in that outer circle."

He said "majorities" of people in France, Germany and the UK supported changes around benefits and with regards to those who come to Europe without a job.

"I'm not saying these could be negotiated," Mr Blair said.

"I'm simply saying if we were looking at this from the point of view of the interests of the country, one option within this negotiation would be Britain staying within a reformed European Union."

He said the majority of EU migrants in the UK are "people we want in this country".

EU leaders have previously said the UK must accept free movement of people if it wants to stay inside the single market.

But in his article for the Institute for Global Change, Mr Blair said senior figures had told him they were willing to consider changes to one of the key principles of membership of the single market.

"The French and Germans share some of the British worries, notably around immigration, and would compromise on freedom of movement," he wrote.

But last week the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, said the freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capital - the key principles of the single market - were "indivisible".

Prime Minister Theresa May has pledged to control EU migration and has reiterated her commitment to reducing net migration to the tens of thousands.

She has said that outside the single market, and without rules on freedom of movement, the UK will be able to make its own decisions on immigration.

Mr Blair also said more was known now about the effects of the Brexit process on the UK.

"We know our currency is down significantly, that's a prediction by the international markets as to our future prosperity. We know businesses are already moving jobs out of the country.

"We know last year we were the fastest-growing economy in the G7. We're now the slowest.

"I think we now know there isn't £350m a week extra for the National Health Service - actually, in the short and medium term, there's less money."

Mr Blair accepted Labour was behind its leader Jeremy Corbyn "for now".

But he warned if Brexit was combined with leaving the single market, and "the largest spending programme Labour had ever proposed" the country "would be in a very serious situation."

Mr Blair said leaving the single market was a "damaging position" shared by Labour and he urged the party's leadership to champion a "radically distinct" position on Europe.

"Rational consideration of the options would sensibly include the option of negotiating for Britain to stay within a Europe itself prepared to reform and meet us half way," he said.

But shadow chancellor John McDonnell said "we have to respect the referendum result" and that Labour could "negotiate access to the single market".

"Mr Blair hasn't really listened to the nature of the debate going on," he added.

Mr Blair said Labour's vision of a "jobs first" Brexit outside the single market was a "contradiction in terms".

"So when people blithely say, 'We will get roughly the same terms as we do now with the single market,' I literally know no-one in the European system who believes this," he wrote.

He also said the Tories had lost their majority in the general election because large numbers of people voted to stop a "hard Brexit" and "rejected explicitly the mandate Theresa May was demanding".

Mr Blair has previously said Brexit was an issue he felt so strongly about, that it tempted him to return to politics.

However, Labour MP Frank Field, who backed Brexit, said he did not think Mr Blair was "a person to influence public opinion now".

"We're now set on the course of leaving [the EU]. We actually need a safe harbour to continue those negotiations when we're out.

"And I wouldn't actually be believing those people who are set on destroying our attempts to leave, who are now appearing as wolves in sheep's clothing."

Richard Tice, of pro-Brexit group Leave Means Leave, said Mr Blair's comments "demonstrate how out of touch he is with British voters".

"The former prime minister believes that freedom of movement is the only issue with the EU, when in reality the British people also voted to leave in order to take back control of our laws and money and no longer be dictated to by the European Court of Justice," he added.

Conservative MEP David Campbell Bannerman said Mr Blair's assertion that Britain could find a way to remain within a reformed EU was a "dodgy claim, as opposed to a dodgy dossier".

"We've heard this all before. David Cameron was given such assurances and in the end the EU did nothing for him.

"If they do nothing for Cameron, they're not going to do anything for Blair, I'm afraid."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:57 am 
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Why won't Tony Blair just fuck off?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119

Why?

He is just trying to find common ground and such. :roll:

But this comes to nothing the EU eventually would not give an inch leeway with free movement. But perhaps migrants from Africa are negotiable, unless they are from former British colonies. :?

Tempest in a tea cup.

But what would Margaret say, or Winston?

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'Reformed EU'. They keep talking about that as if there is such a thing, or maybe that such a thing is within Tony Blair's godlike powers to have.

It isn't. It's a lie. Remember Cameron's 'renegotiation'? That was about reforming the EU. He was told to take a hike.

It's a mirage, it's not happening. The EU is unreformable, unless you mean ever closer union.

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Mac wrote:
Why won't Tony Blair just fuck off?

Why?

Even his own party are saying he is clueless and irrelevant. Why do you think?

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Even his own party are saying he is clueless and irrelevant. Why do you think?

Well, what about he is saying. Is that irrelevant? :roll:

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