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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:16 am 
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Is there any country in Europe which has more than fifty million immigrants? There are more immigrants in the U.S. than there are Scandinavians in Scandinavians.

You asked what was different between then and now. I answered you.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 3:39 am 
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No, you did not answer because I assume you have not followed the thread. I will talk about Greece because I can recall easily basic figures without the need to google them.However, the logic is the same and can apply with most other European countries.

In 1980, Greece had officially something like 99% of its population being Greeks, which it was something like 100,000 people being non-Greek. At that time US had a substantial population of its population being immigrants from Mexico and Latin America. How much was the population then, in actual numbers of percentage of the population? Well, you do the research and give the number. After all, it is you who try to argue that immigration is the basic issue, so it is your responsibility to support your argument. I say it was 20 million unofficially, so that I can demonstrate you why it is important to be serious and give real figures .

Since then Greece had a tremendous increase in immigrants, including immigrants who got Greek citizenship. One typical example is the "Greek Freak" in NBA ( Giannis Antetokounmpo ) who is black, first generation immigrant who became Greek. I think he came from Nigeria together with his parents. Today something like 10% of the Greek population are immigrants, illegal or not and that is from official statistics. To put it in comparison, a 10% of the US population is about 35 million people. But this is not the end: If I follow your tactic and pull numbers out of my ass, I can easily say that the official numbers are underestimating the actual numbers (that is true for BOTH the US and Greece), and the true figure of immigrants in Greece is somewhere in the order of 25% of the population or about 3 million. Do not ask me where I got this figure. I got it from the same source you got yours about the 50 million immigrants in the US, which is about 15% of your population.

So, let's accept that US has today indeed 50 million immigrants which is about 15% of its total population. . So, why do you assume that the situation today is more disadvantageous for the US? I can as easily say that Greeks had a much higher advantage in 1980 when they had a tiny figure of 100,000 immigrants or 1% of the population to ruin its life expectancy statistics compared to the US which had about 20 million or about 10% of its 1980 population. That is certainly better for the US compared to the situation today when Greece has 25% of its population being non-Greeks and the US has just 50 million or about 15%. Similar arguments exist for other European countries too regarding the effect of immigration in the period between 1980 and today.

As you can see, without hard figures you cannot support your argument...

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 4:09 am 
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Fresh out of my ass:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/s ... ey-charts/

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The foreign-born population residing in the U.S. reached a record 42.2 million, or 13.2% of the U.S. population, in 2014. The population has more than quadrupled since the 1960s, when the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act took effect. Though growth has begun to slow in recent years, the number of immigrants living in the United States is projected to almost double by 2065.......
While immigrants account for 13.9% of the U.S. population, the U.S.-born children of immigrants (second-generation Americans) make up another 11.9% of the nation’s population. By 2050, these two groups could account for 19% and 18% of the population, respectively, according to Pew Research Center projections.



19 +18 is, uh, 37 percent. Easily much more than my estimate of fifty million, even at current levels.

The purpose of all this migration? Genocide, eventually. Immigrants can only go to North America, Europe, and Australia. Anyone who doesn't want to be over run with third world immigrants is a racist.

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
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Here is another interesting piece of information:

http://dmc122011.delmar.edu/socsci/rlon ... tab-08.htm

Table # 8
Life Expectancy at Birth:
United States, Mexico, and Canada
U.S.A. Mex Canada
2012 79 77 81
2009 78 75 81
2006 78 75 80
2003 77 75 79
2000 77 72 79
1998 76 72 78
1993 75 70 77
1990 75 68 77
1988 75 66 76
1987 75 67 76
1985 75 66 75

In 1985, there was a 9 years life expectancy advantage for the US while in 2012 it wasjust 2 years. In other words, one Mexican immigrant in 1985 ruined much more the US life expectancy average compared to one Mexican immigrant today.

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
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The foreign-born population residing in the U.S. reached a record 42.2 million, or 13.2% of the U.S. population,


Sorry dude, but the foreign born population includes me and many Canadians and AngloSaxons

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
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http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/05/17/glo ... nt-stocks/


Origins and Destinations of the World’s Migrants, from 1990-2015
In 2015, 46,630,000 people living in the United States were born in other countries


140 000 Greeks; 840,000 Canadians; ~ 16 million Central Americans; and a millions of Africans and Muslims.

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So, your figure today is NOT 50 million of immigrants who degrade your life expectancy. it is 16 million from central America! That is much better...

By the way, Africans and most Muslims who are actually black, ARE as much Americans as you. Do not put them in the same place with immigrants from central America. By the way, exclude also Puerto Rico!

P.S reading it again, if 1 million is Africans and not African-Americans and if they are Muslims from Africa and not African-American Muslims, then yes, you can add them to those who degrade your average.

Now find the numbers for 1980... Up until now you have 17 million who degrade your life expectancy today.

So, how many did degrade your life expectancy in 1985, as numbers and as percentage of population then?

NOTE ALSO based on the chart I posted earlier, that since the gap between the US and the life expectancy of central Americans was much higher in 1985, much smaller numbers could degrade much more your life expectancy at that time

If you want to argue about something, show me evidence and reasoning to support your thesis...

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
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Here are a few questions you should consider?

How many were from central America in 1985?

And let's say you find they were much less in absolute numbers or as a percentage. Let's say just to challenge you that in 1985 they were just 4 million instead of the about 16 million today. So, what is worse regarding the degradation of the US life expectancy? Is it worse to have 4 millions people who lag by about 8 years from the US average (as it was the case in 1985), or is it 16 million who lag by about 2 years from the US average?

It is your argument: Convince me...

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 Post subject: Re: London's real estate and finance
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And after you answer the previous question, you have to do a similar analysis for Greece and other developed countries using information from BOTH the 1980's and today! And then you have to see if the immigration today degrades the national average more than the immigration situation in 1985.

So as you see, repeating cliches based on decades old ideologies is not enough. It is not convincing and it is intellectually lazy!

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I aint got to do shit. YOU are the one making ridiculous arguments.

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