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 Post subject: Re: NHS--vasectomy by mistake.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:14 pm 
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Rationing isn't 'cynical'. It's rational. Where everyone gets free care at the point of use, where resources are limited and where there is more demand than supply, there has to be a fair system for providing the service. The thing is, in the UK, if people have the money to jump the queue, there is nobody stopping them from doing that. Anyone can go to a private hospital if they are rich enough.

The problems of the NHS are partly caused by its success; if you want to put a right wing political spin on it, by taking care of their health for them, successive governments are forcing everyone to live longer, therefore the older they get the more health problems they get, and the more free-at-point-of-use health care they demand. Whilst from the other direction there is constant pressure on supply, because everybody wants free services, but nobody wants to pay for them, and according to the dominant right wing media and political mantra, especially not through taxation. Also because older people tend to retire, they don't contribute to the economy and they hardly pay tax. From a right wing perspective, a fairer system would just be to throw everyone on rubbish heaps when they cease being economically productive and have run out of their own personal money. That would make everything so much better for the 'hard working taxpayer' until they or their family get sick.

I guess one reason for opposing 'rationing' might be that it is a method for treating people equally, and since people are intrinsically unequal in so many ways, then treating them as if they are all the same when it comes to distributing the health benefits of public taxation, is somehow morally objectionable. Don't know if this is your reason.


Can the "rich" people who can afford private are opt out of paying for the mediocre care that the peasants line up for?

That is what we call Communism, sometimes euphemized as "Socialism."

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 Post subject: Re: NHS--vasectomy by mistake.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:59 am 
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normski- wrote:
Rationing isn't 'cynical'. It's rational. Where everyone gets free care at the point of use, where resources are limited and where there is more demand than supply, there has to be a fair system for providing the service. The thing is, in the UK, if people have the money to jump the queue, there is nobody stopping them from doing that. Anyone can go to a private hospital if they are rich enough.

The problems of the NHS are partly caused by its success; if you want to put a right wing political spin on it, by taking care of their health for them, successive governments are forcing everyone to live longer, therefore the older they get the more health problems they get, and the more free-at-point-of-use health care they demand. Whilst from the other direction there is constant pressure on supply, because everybody wants free services, but nobody wants to pay for them, and according to the dominant right wing media and political mantra, especially not through taxation. Also because older people tend to retire, they don't contribute to the economy and they hardly pay tax. From a right wing perspective, a fairer system would just be to throw everyone on rubbish heaps when they cease being economically productive and have run out of their own personal money. That would make everything so much better for the 'hard working taxpayer' until they or their family get sick.

I guess one reason for opposing 'rationing' might be that it is a method for treating people equally, and since people are intrinsically unequal in so many ways, then treating them as if they are all the same when it comes to distributing the health benefits of public taxation, is somehow morally objectionable. Don't know if this is your reason.


Can the "rich" people who can afford private are opt out of paying for the mediocre care that the peasants line up for?

That is what we call Communism, sometimes euphemized as "Socialism."

In some countries poor people must opt out of healthcare. That is what we call capitalism, everyone on his own. ;)

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