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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:50 pm 
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Just had local elections here in half the country, UKIP had a very good run for a minor party.

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This is the day when those dubbed "clowns, loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists" may find it hard to resist the temptation to laugh in the face of their detractors in the established political parties.

It is the day UKIP emerged as a real political force in the land.

The leaders of all other political parties will now be considering how to respond, what to say and what to do in the face of the party's rise.

UKIP has evolved over the two decades since it was created from an anti-EU pressure group into a fully fledged party which has now proved that it can succeed beyond European elections.

This is a more profound change than you might think. Before today a party created because of one issue and dominated by one man could, in theory, have simply wound up after a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.

Many of its early backers might have concluded at that point - "job done".

Now, however, there will be UKIP councillors all over the country (there may even be some with a slice of power once all the results are in) who will insist they exist for other purposes. UKIP is not going the way of the Referendum Party.

For now their impact will be on other parties.

Tories on the right will claim that if only David Cameron had listened to them none of this would have happened. They will demand political red meat to woo back their former supporters.

To some extent it's already been offered - David Cameron has talked of a parliamentary vote on an EU referendum, he's announced a crackdown on immigration and a tougher prison regime has been heralded. So, what now?

Blairites will reheat their warnings that Ed Miliband has not extended Labour's support enough.

Some in his party will angst about their appeal in the South, some about their failure to convince their traditional white working class voters. He will respond, I suspect, with an attempt to forge a much clearer economic alternative.

The Lib Dems will be relieved that the spotlight is on someone else's problems whilst having to live with the fact that their party's problems are very far from over.

Nigel Farage has already proved that he is one of those politicians like Ken and Boris and Alex Salmond who can make his country smile. Now the clowns are bringing tears to their opponents' eyes. He's sure to see the joke in that.

PS: Having said all of this this let's not forget that UKIP did not win the elections. They look set to end the night with tens of councillors not many hundreds, unlike their opponents. It is extremely unlikely to run any council alone.

They have no MPs and, under our first-past-the-post system, it would be a major achievement to elect just one. Labour still won last night's by-election and the Conservatives look set to have the most councillors and run the most councils.

UKIP are putting down political roots. They are not about to challenge for power.


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As for UKIP in action, well...


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Since i've only heard them described as racists and and neanderthals, I can only assume UKIP are the only people in Britain with any sense.

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Since i've only heard them described as racists and and neanderthals, I can only assume UKIP are the only people in Britain with any sense.


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How true.

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Since i've only heard them described as racists and and neanderthals, I can only assume UKIP are the only people in Britain with any sense.

The eurosceptic parties in Europe are conservative, and even ultra-conservative like the Front National in France. It is not my side, so I have difficulties to vote for them, but some of their ideas hit the good target.


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doggie wrote:
Since i've only heard them described as racists and and neanderthals, I can only assume UKIP are the only people in Britain with any sense.

The eurosceptic parties in Europe are conservative, and even ultra-conservative like the Front National in France. It is not my side, so I have difficulties to vote for them, but some of their ideas hit the good target.


In the UK at least it seems to me the problem is this.

a) The Labour Party offered a referendum on EU membership. Then they reneged on this election promise. They even got taken to court over this, but the court decided that manifesto commitments are non-binding and it's not for the courts to interfere, which is fair enough. Leading us on to ...

b) The Tories also offered a referendum, and were duly elected. Then they reneged on it too, in coalition with the third party, the LibDems.

So at this point all the main parties have lied and deceived the voter. Who the hell do you vote for if you want out? Not the cosy political establishment.


PS just listen to Farage from 1:45 onwards in that video. He may be a right winger, but how can anybody, left or right, disagree with him on the statement he's making there?

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In the UK at least it seems to me the problem is this.

a) The Labour Party offered a referendum on EU membership. Then they reneged on this election promise. They even got taken to court over this, but the court decided that manifesto commitments are non-binding and it's not for the courts to interfere, which is fair enough. Leading us on to ...

b) The Tories also offered a referendum, and were duly elected. Then they reneged on it too, in coalition with the third party, the LibDems.

So at this point all the main parties have lied and deceived the voter. Who the hell do you vote for if you want out? Not the cosy political establishment.


PS just listen to Farage from 1:45 onwards in that video. He may be a right winger, but how can anybody, left or right, disagree with him on the statement he's making there?

Concerning Ireland, he recognizes the responsability of the Irish people too, at least the politicians. Otherwise, recently, a liberal politician said that the euro was not a good thing, Oskar Lafontaine, leader of Die Linke in Germany.


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LaPalice wrote:
EUBanana wrote:

In the UK at least it seems to me the problem is this.

a) The Labour Party offered a referendum on EU membership. Then they reneged on this election promise. They even got taken to court over this, but the court decided that manifesto commitments are non-binding and it's not for the courts to interfere, which is fair enough. Leading us on to ...

b) The Tories also offered a referendum, and were duly elected. Then they reneged on it too, in coalition with the third party, the LibDems.

So at this point all the main parties have lied and deceived the voter. Who the hell do you vote for if you want out? Not the cosy political establishment.


PS just listen to Farage from 1:45 onwards in that video. He may be a right winger, but how can anybody, left or right, disagree with him on the statement he's making there?

Concerning Ireland, he recognizes the responsability of the Irish people too, at least the politicians. Otherwise, recently, a liberal politician said that the euro was not a good thing, Oskar Lafontaine, leader of Die Linke in Germany.


Hmmm, so LaPalice agrees with a German that has a French-sounding last name.....I would expect nothing less! :lol:
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For a leftist, I find this ironic:
Lafontaine lives in a manor-like house, commonly known as the "palace of social justice" (Palast der sozialen Gerechtigkeit).[6] When asked about whether this could be in conflict with his socialist ideas, Lafontaine said politicians of the Left don't have to be poor, but they have to fight against poverty

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He is a politician, not a monk.


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Damn fine speech! I love seeing a politician take an actual stand. I wish more would.

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