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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:41 pm 
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But perhpas FT is just presenting remoaner scaremonger propaganda? :roll:


The FT actually is a known remoaner paper, as it happens.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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nero wrote:
But perhpas FT is just presenting remoaner scaremonger propaganda? :roll:


The FT actually is a known remoaner paper, as it happens.

FT is a quality paper.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:11 pm 
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Paul Crowther, the guy (or one of the guys) who tossed a milkshake at Nigel Farage has had his day in court.

https://www.politicalite.com/nigel-fara ... ay-farage/

He pled guilty to common assault and criminal damage.
He was ordered to pay Farage £350 as compensation (cleaning bill I suppose).

On a separate not, Mr. Crowther was also fired from his job.

I hope that was all worth the £5.25 banana and salted caramel milkshake and the momentary satisfaction he might have felt from milkshaking Mr. Farage.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:43 pm 
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May became prime minister, and entrusted the Brexiters with executing Brexit. She gave them the key jobs in cabinet. But they were debaters, not policymakers. They couldn’t debate Brussels into submission, because the EU’s negotiators followed rules. So poorly briefed were the Brexiters that in December 2017 they accepted the principle of a “backstop” plan to keep the Irish border open, before spending the next 18 months fighting it.


https://www.ft.com/content/85fc694c-9222-11e9-b7ea-60e35ef678d2


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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:46 am 
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What utterly shameless lies. That's literally the opposite of what happened. Hence why I described the FT as a known remoaner paper.

May allowed a few Brexiteers into the cabinet for potemkin village purposes. Then at Chequers one day she threw all their plans in the bin and presented them with her own arrangements she had been working in secret on behind their backs for months, and said if they didn't support it they could get a taxi ride home.

Davis and Steve Baker, having morals, promptly resigned. As you can listen here -> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politi ... t-minister

Also it was May who accepted the backstop. Brexiteers never wanted it. She again armtwisted her cabinet into agreeing with her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern- ... s-44615404

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In November 2018, then Prime Minister Theresa May said her cabinet had finally backed a deal between UK-EU negotiators that included agreement on a backstop.

This sparked a huge backlash from MPs at Westminster and several of her own ministers resigned in protest.


Seriously wtf, that's the inverse of reality in that little statement. Fuck the FT and its rewriting of history. I was actually following what was going on there pretty closely and it absolutely was not that.

Of course May really was a remoaner all along. Now in her final days as PM now she no longer has to keep up the pretence she's been trying to bind her successor into not allowing a no deal Brexit, so, yup, lying traitorous bitch for 3 years, undermining all the actual Brexiteers that she strung along, and still at it even now.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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This is why the Brexit Party has done so well. People have eyes. When we skipped the March deadline it was crystal clear that Mayhem had been stringing us along the entire time. Now faced with their utter annihilation the Tories finally have an inkling that if there's no Brexit, there's no Tories.

MPs absolutely loathe Boris Johnson, but they like their jobs more than they loathe BoJo. Knowing that after May's spectacular fuck up and their own misjudgment of their voters loyalty to the Tory brand, they suddenly got behind Boris to try and save their own skins.

Of course Bozza will have to be a miracle worker indeed given May has spiked his chances before he's even got into the big chair, he has so little time left because she let the clock run down. He has to do in four months what she had 3 years to do.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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EUBanana wrote:
This is why the Brexit Party has done so well. People have eyes. When we skipped the March deadline it was crystal clear that Mayhem had been stringing us along the entire time. Now faced with their utter annihilation the Tories finally have an inkling that if there's no Brexit, there's no Tories.

MPs absolutely loathe Boris Johnson, but they like their jobs more than they loathe BoJo. Knowing that after May's spectacular fuck up and their own misjudgment of their voters loyalty to the Tory brand, they suddenly got behind Boris to try and save their own skins.

Of course Bozza will have to be a miracle worker indeed given May has spiked his chances before he's even got into the big chair, he has so little time left because she let the clock run down. He has to do in four months what she had 3 years to do.


I guess you guys don't have anything like "Executive Orders?" Couldn't the Monarch just wave her baton and say "Exited?"

If not then why have them; useless, expensive, celebrity is all they seem to be from my Yankee eyeballs :mrgreen:

Seriously though: how can it be so complicated? You just say "We're out. PERIOD. Don't like it EU? Tough shit. You can come force us to be 'in' if you've got the amphibious assault capacity."

I get the impression Boris is exactly the sort of "Don't give a fuck" individual to figure out a way to legally, and in a timely manner pull off this kind of stunt, which is why he is a terror to the New Totalitarian Tribalists who insist that no state can leave the Soviet Euro Union.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:24 am 
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I guess you guys don't have anything like "Executive Orders?" Couldn't the Monarch just wave her baton and say "Exited?"


Yeah, there are various powers that the queen wields on advice of the executive. Stuff like this ->

https://www.historyextra.com/period/tud ... ii-powers/

A lot of them are so old now and havn't been used for so long its debatable if they will still fly. Much of the last 3 years has been about having that debate. And a parliament stuffed with Remainers has rejected the use of most of them.


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Seriously though: how can it be so complicated? You just say "We're out. PERIOD. Don't like it EU? Tough shit. You can come force us to be 'in' if you've got the amphibious assault capacity."


Ultimately the difficulty doesn't seem to be the act of actually leaving. It's more the act of leaving with a hostile Parliament who have no intention of honouring their manifesto commitments, who are doing their utmost to stick a spanner in the works. I'm not sure that the UK has ever faced a situation like this one, ever. What causes a small but significant minority of parliamentarians to be so dedicated to the EU is anybody's guess.

It's kinda funny but true in that the EU is almost a bystander in all of this in truth.

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I get the impression Boris is exactly the sort of "Don't give a fuck" individual to figure out a way to legally, and in a timely manner pull off this kind of stunt, which is why he is a terror to the New Totalitarian Tribalists who insist that no state can leave the Soviet Euro Union.


Maybe. They certainly hate him, which at this point is good enough for me tbh.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:26 am 
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Legally we leave on Halloween now, that's enshrined in law. So if Boris wants the nuclear option he can prorogue Parliament, send them all home Cromwell style, and just wait. And as that's the law then when the clock runs down we're out.

I imagine the political fallout from that would be far too high a price for even Boris to pay.

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