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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:53 pm 
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You ain't seen nothing yet.

You'll see more Bercow brexit betrayal.

Never was so much owed by so many to so few. -- Winston Churchill.

In this time it is not few, but one. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:29 pm 
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chijohnaok wrote:

For ordinary it matters, a lot.

For Egg-Mogginses it means more money. :twisted:

For car industry workers who lose their jobs it means their life.

What are you to say anything? :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:45 pm 
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chijohnaok wrote:
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With brexit the Brits will get cheaper food.
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3,000 people die in the US from foodborne disease.
That is terrible.

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http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/p ... 5.pdf?ua=1

Someone remind me...is 5,000 worse than 3,000?

That is a good observation. But what does that European Region mean? The EU or the whole Europe including EU. That is my guess.

I'll find it out. But initially I just don't think that this is EU figures only, but includes countries like Russia, Moldova, Belarus where it only safe to drink vodka, if even that. :roll:

But scaling the US numbers to Finland by dividing the numbers by 61 fives figures that are hundred fold that we actually have. ;)

And here we have it: Countries. :roll:

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Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
North Macedonia
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Republic of Moldova
Romania
Russian Federation
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Tajikistan
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Uzbekistan


Next time better luck. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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The europhiles and eurocrats are succeeding: they show to the British and the other Europeans that it is very difficult to leave the EU. If you try to do it, your country will be in such a mess that you will regret what you did. They had that goal and only that one in mind during the years that followed the brexit vote. It is a dangerous tactic, and it could come back to their face like a boomerang.


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LaPalice wrote:
The europhiles and eurocrats are succeeding: they show to the British and the other Europeans that it is very difficult to leave the EU. If you try to do it, your country will be in such a mess that you will regret what you did. They had that goal and only that one in mind during the years that followed the brexit vote. It is a dangerous tactic, and it could come back to their face like a boomerang.

In the EU part there is no tactics at all, only rules.

And the Irish border is our border (a Finn who expects reciprocality).

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nero wrote:
LaPalice wrote:
The europhiles and eurocrats are succeeding: they show to the British and the other Europeans that it is very difficult to leave the EU. If you try to do it, your country will be in such a mess that you will regret what you did. They had that goal and only that one in mind during the years that followed the brexit vote. It is a dangerous tactic, and it could come back to their face like a boomerang.

In the EU part there is no tactics at all, only rules.

And the Irish border is our border (a Finn who expects reciprocality).

It was a negociation between Great Britain, a sovereign country, and the EU, so there are tactics for a negociated agreement. That is how international relations work. If only the EU rules prevailed on any other country rules, the EU would have dictated its conditions to the British, and the British would not have had other option of accept them.


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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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LaPalice wrote:
nero wrote:
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In the EU part there is no tactics at all, only rules.

And the Irish border is our border (a Finn who expects reciprocality).

It was a negociation between Great Britain, a sovereign country, and the EU, so there are tactics for a negociated agreement. That is how international relations work. If only the EU rules prevailed on any other country rules, the EU would have dictated its conditions to the British, and the British would not have had other option of accept them.

EU has agreed rules and it obeys them, it does not use any tactics to negotiate.

And certainly it must not give any preferential treatment for a leaving party over the remaining members.

But because of this EU is so evil. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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EU has agreed rules and it obeys them, it does not use any tactics to negotiate.

And certainly it must not give any preferential treatment for a leaving party over the remaining members.

But because of this EU is so evil. :roll:

You speak about rules as if they were clear and complete. But the article 50 is very vague, as when it was writed, nobody thought that someone would really leave the EU. So those rules as so vague that they allow the eurocrats to use tactics against GB, showing to everybody that it is very painful to leave the EU. Like that, nobody else will desire to leave the EU anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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LaPalice wrote:
nero wrote:
EU has agreed rules and it obeys them, it does not use any tactics to negotiate.

And certainly it must not give any preferential treatment for a leaving party over the remaining members.

But because of this EU is so evil. :roll:

You speak about rules as if they were clear and complete. But the article 50 is very vague, as when it was writed, nobody thought that someone would really leave the EU. So those rules as so vague that they allow the eurocrats to use tactics against GB, showing to everybody that it is very painful to leave the EU. Like that, nobody else will desire to leave the EU anymore.

The divorce agreement was agreed with UK and EU. There is no ambiguity there. The problem is the red line May's government has set, no freedom of movement knocks the single market out, and being out of the customs area causes problems on the Irish border. These are choices UK has made, not the EU. There is no tactics on the EU side, it just not will change its rules because UK wants to leave.

The other thing is that the choices May has made are not so popular in the UK either. Brexit means brexit. :twisted:

Now I am thinking that a no-deal brexit is the right thing; not that it is a good thing, but gives a good lesson how stupidity[1] is rewarded. And it is interesting to follow the trade negotiations with US, how beneficial is the America First for the UK. :roll:

1. Cipolla, Carlo M. "The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity".

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